Saturday, May 10, 2008

[blasphemy] another nail in the coffin



Python, Life of Brian, Stoning Scene - script here


Does G-d have a sense of humour? I certainly hope so, otherwise I'm in big, big trouble. If we are made in His image, then it must be so.

So when Ginro reports that Cranmer reports that Gerald Howarth gave his thoughts on the blasphemy bill, a smile played on the lips until I actually started reading:

There was a debate in the House of Commons on Tuesday 6th May about the blasphemy laws, of which the entire debate can be read in Hansard.

This nation has been forged and fashioned down the centuries by its Christian tradition. Every Act of Parliament is prefaced by reference to the support of the Lords temporal and spiritual and the Commons assembled.

That indicates that our Christian faith has played a hugely important part. Therefore, while I have enjoyed the frivolities of this evening’s proceedings, we should be under no illusions that a serious issue is at stake.

I am afraid that I am not interested in the Joint Committee on Human Rights or the European Court of Human Rights; I am interested in my views and beliefs, which are profoundly held and shared by a lot of people in this country.

Those of other religions who have come here down the centuries have done so in the full knowledge that this is a Christian country. One of the reasons why they come here is that our Christian faith is a tolerant faith—one that allows mosques to be built and that allows people to observe their traditions, to bring those traditions with them and to practise them.

It is a mistake that some of them should now assert that, because they have come here in rather large numbers, they should be entitled to overturn centuries of tradition in this country.

The Minister relied, as Ministers of course do, on the assertion of the Government’s new religion, which is discrimination: anything that is discriminatory is to be resisted, if not completely rejected.

Of course the law of blasphemy is discriminatory—but then, as was pointed out to her, so is the fact that the Church of England is the established Church. That discriminates against everybody else ... We are discriminating every day of our lives; we discriminate when we go to the shops.

Furthermore and as has also been pointed out, we have Christian prayers in this place, which you, Mr. Speaker, of course preside over ... Clearly, this is an undisguised attempt at promoting the case for the disestablishment of the Church of England ...

[A] Jewish headmistress, whom I was sitting next to at a lunch ... said, “It is very important to our school that there continues to be an established Church, because it provides some protection to us in the practising of our religion.”

That message must not be forgotten.

It is a time when we desperately need to reassert moral values in this country. The fact that the archbishops have deserted the field is unfortunate, because that again sends out the wrong message, but my simple role in the Church is as a mere church warden.

Our children will not understand if this House says that it is not important, because why then should anything be sacred? That would send a dreadful message to the young people of our country…

“I think that this is no time to be abolishing the law of blasphemy.

When I go to a synagogue, I wear kipar and the prayers are in Hebrew. When I go to a mosque, I dress accordingly and show reverence. When in Rome ...

This dismantling of the rule of law does not really stem from the devout - it stems from Them - the ones this blog has long been railing against. It was so at the Wren Chapel, it was so at Harvard, it is so here. In Robert Bolt's Man for All Seasons, this exchange took place:

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's!

And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

The most fundamental mistake you can make, if you are atheist, agnostic or of another religion, is to think that to go along with this dismantling of a nation's legal and societal underpinning will not rebound on you. I'm talking directly here to fellow libertarians who are anything but Christian.

The most fundamental mistake you can make is to sit back and let this bill go through unchallenged because you disagree with Christianity per se and it's going to come back on you - it is just another nail in the coffin of all our freedoms which the Christian religion has had the decency to allow us in some small measure over the centuries.

The enemy is at the door, his weapon is divide and conquer and far too few realize it.

11 comments:

  1. Yes, if we are made in His image then He must have a sense of humour too. Laughter is the best medicine after all, lol.

    Anyway, at last voices are starting to be raised about this amongst those who have the power to do something about it. Mighty acorns and so on.

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  2. Ooops, lol!

    I meant mighty oaks and so on, lol.

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  3. Have to smile how an issue such as this which is quite fundamental to our freedoms and which is quite worrying, as Cherie said, should meet with blogsilence.

    Will people not concede the need to resist this?

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  4. Two questions James

    what is blasphemy and when would you prosecute it?

    how can you be in favour of a law that makes it illegal to say various things- and still say you support free speech and freedom?

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  5. I think that perhaps people don't understand what it will lead to, which is erosion of the ethics and values that make up our society (which is after all based upon Christian values). If you start to take those away what is left?

    It is good to know my local MP voted against it.

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  6. Cherry pie I was under the impression that freedom of speech was one of those values- I was perhaps wrong- but I thought that Voltaire's great statement that he hated what someone said but would fight to the death for their right to say it was a key Western principle- apparantly you disagree.

    I always thought another great principle was that of free enquiry- that when someone sought to protect an idea from criticism it betrayed the fact that that idea was weak. I thought that was part of the Western tradition- going back through Einstein, Newton, Spinoza, Locke, Cicero, Plato etc- and I thought we had got round punishing people for blasphemy when we realised that that was what Socrates was executed for!

    Apparantly I was wrong- I apologise for not realising that we should all be living in a truly Christian state where blasphemy was punished by boring a hole through someone's tongue (as in seventeenth Century Protestant England) or burning them at the stake (sixteenth century Catholic England).

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  7. Gracchi freedom of speech is one of those values with which I whole heartedly agree!

    But this bill means that I and my UK countrymen can't express our opinion about what we value, it is the thin end of the wedge! Ignore the religion aspect and see what this really means for our country!

    If you check out my blog you will see I don't go along with anything in your last paragraph ;-)

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  8. Two questions James

    what is blasphemy and when would you prosecute it?

    how can you be in favour of a law that makes it illegal to say various things- and still say you support free speech and freedom?

    Tiberius, as was pointed out by all from Ann Widdecombe to Cherie in "Above and Beyond the Call of Duty" [two ends of the spectrum], this is not a religious but a political question and a lot rides on it.

    Do you know of or have you heard of anyone prosecuted under the blasphemy act in the last 50 years? So it sits in there dormant.

    It was intended primarily to shore up the CofE in Britain as the state's traditional underpinning, if only for ceremonial purposes.

    But the opposite - the petty and vindictive move to suppress Christianity - is only the thin edge of the wedge.

    It's entry point is Christianity because that's where no one is going to raise a fuss, as almost no one has - it's a safe move for Brown.

    Now, with that on the statute books, there is precedent established and the next freedom to worship is attacked. Then comes the freedom of association - it has always followed this path in totalitarian minded regimes.

    The CofE was also Britain's bulwark against the encroachment of far more aggressive religions. Islam would naturally flow in to fill the vacuum left by the rooted out Church and the only type of government which could take that on would be a USSR style one.

    Do you seriously wish to live in Britain under such a regime? Look at the alternatives. Christianity as the official religion and the state of personal freedom pre-Brown.

    Sharia Law.

    Big Brother state which Brown is setting up.

    Which is the least unpleasant and more in tune with the nations antecedents? Look at that Jeewish teacher's comments again.

    That's why this very clever bill, designed to appeal or pass unnoticed by the less perspicacious, as it seems to chime in with their feelings about state and religion, is actually, underneath the service, so pernicious.

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